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- Dan Connolly writes:
- > Good point. I didn't mean that we should make the physical distance
- > to the link destination known to the user. But I think users would
- > benefit from knowledge about the logical distance -- i.e. is
- > it part of the same node, part of the same document, or in some
- > other work completely? Is it more specific or more general
- > than this node?
-
- Maybe a compromise: if linking to a point in the same document, color
- the anchor orange; if linking to a point on the same server, color it
- red; if linking to somewhere else entirely, color it violet. Or a
- variation on that theme. This wouldn't require changing HTML and
- wouldn't be too obtrusive to those of us who like transparency.
-
- > [Discussion on what to do with links to GIF files.] So perhaps it's
- > not the HTML data format that's doomed, but the <A> element. I guess
- > the lesson is: you can't teach an old element new tricks.
-
- I think looking at the file extension will solve 95% of the cases
- (that's what extensions are for, after all). The remaining 5% could
- be addressed by Content-Type. The browsers should be brought up to
- speed. That's one approach -- just getting multimedia out the door
- and merged into the current HTML spec calls for the simplest solution
- possible, at the moment.
-
- > Counterpoint: when the design is complete, performance-critical code
- > can always be written in C and added as a module. In the mean time,
- > the benefits of rapid-prototyping outweigh the performance
- > penalties.
-
- Yeah but, yeah but, once something is written with rapid prototyping
- in mind and turns out to work, odds are it's going to be *the*
- implementation, as its implementor goes on to bigger and better
- things.
-
- > I don't mean to base the W3 architecture on Python -- only some
- > implementations.
-
- Right. Those implementations then will be (no offense to the Python
- folks intended, but here it comes...) chained to Python, which will
- put an instant damper on their general usefulness -- they're never
- gonna be merged into anything else and thus made more useful, unless
- that something else uses Python also, which (as is the case with all
- the rest of these systems) is just plain doubtful.
-
- > Viola and tk/tcl: These try to do what's already been done in
- > the Xaw and Motif toolkits, and they don't do it as well. (I suppose
- > this is your point...)
-
- Yup.
-
- > Midas: This is a specially designed language highly suited to it's
- > purpose. Only the highest level of code in the Midaswww browser is
- > written in Midas. All the rest is reusable. Tony did a heck of a
- > job.
-
- I agree with the latter point, but not the former. There's very
- little reusable code in Midaswww. I spent quite a bit of time trying
- to rip the SGML widget out and use it separately, and it's just not
- possible with the current Midaswww architecture.
-
- > VUIT: how did this get in there?
-
- It (or something similar) is being used to generate UIL code for
- Midaswww, which counts as another toolkit in my book, since I can't
- effectively edit it by hand -- despite the fact I know Motif a lot
- better than I'd like to, very little of my existing knowledge carries
- over.
-
- > NeXT: I'd drop X/Xt/Xaw for NextStep in a second if it was an
- > option. NextStep isn't free, so it hasn't proliferated like X.
- > That's pretty much the end of the story.
-
- Agreed on all counts. Again, my point.
-
- I'm not arguing *against* special toolkits and builders in the
- abstract -- I think they're great, for the lone programmer. But it's
- just plain a fact that there's nothing standardized about them;
- they're not available on most systems; they're not going to make code
- reusability practically possible, and their use causes too much
- reinventing of the wheel.
-
- Cheers,
- Marc
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